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		<title>Comment on If you want to learn, embrace uncertainty by Jenny and Erin &#8212; a tongue-in-cheek quest for understanding&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://thewindingpath.net/2007/08/07/if-you-want-to-learn-embrace-uncertainty/#comment-30005</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny and Erin &#8212; a tongue-in-cheek quest for understanding&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] I think it is a good thing. Mainly because of the idea that uncertainty enables growth. [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Science Behind Change: A Beginner&#8217;s Guide by Power of Focused Attention &#124; optimumself.com</title>
		<link>http://thewindingpath.net/2007/08/09/the-science-behind-change-a-beginners-guide/#comment-29528</link>
		<dc:creator>Power of Focused Attention &#124; optimumself.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Atheism is more than just a lack of belief in gods. by Atheism is Simple - Why Can't People Deal With That?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atheism is Simple - Why Can't People Deal With That?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 16:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] Mark Lapierre disagrees that atheism is simply the absence of belief in gods:  Yet survey a group of atheists and you?ll find that we do have some common beliefs. The obvious rebuttal is that atheism doesn?t require that people hold all those beliefs. And yet of all the arguments against atheism as an ideology I?ve seen, none have accounted for the beliefs atheists actually do share.  Sure, atheism doesn?t require anything other than that you don?t believe in god or gods. Or that you believe gods don?t exist. The problem with this is that when we hold so tightly to a pure definition of atheism and ideology, we ignore the influence atheism has on our lives. We behave like a group of people with a common, social identity. That wouldn?t be possible if we didn?t have something more than a lack of a belief to tie us together. No group of people has ever come together because of nothing more than a lack of a particular belief. We do have other common beliefs, as Sam Harris? survey shows. [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://dev.wp-plugins.org/wiki/Kramer"><img src="http://thewindingpath.netD:\mlapierre\www\thewindingpath.net\wp-content\plugins\kramer.php?kramer=gif-icon" class="technorati-balloon" alt="Kramer auto Pingback" style="border:0;" /></a>[...] Mark Lapierre disagrees that atheism is simply the absence of belief in gods:  Yet survey a group of atheists and you?ll find that we do have some common beliefs. The obvious rebuttal is that atheism doesn?t require that people hold all those beliefs. And yet of all the arguments against atheism as an ideology I?ve seen, none have accounted for the beliefs atheists actually do share.  Sure, atheism doesn?t require anything other than that you don?t believe in god or gods. Or that you believe gods don?t exist. The problem with this is that when we hold so tightly to a pure definition of atheism and ideology, we ignore the influence atheism has on our lives. We behave like a group of people with a common, social identity. That wouldn?t be possible if we didn?t have something more than a lack of a belief to tie us together. No group of people has ever come together because of nothing more than a lack of a particular belief. We do have other common beliefs, as Sam Harris? survey shows. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pop-sci book meme by James</title>
		<link>http://thewindingpath.net/2008/08/29/pop-sci-book-meme/#comment-26059</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 23:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I found your blog on this new directory of WordPress Blogs at blackhatbootcamp.com/listofwordpressblogs.  I dont know how your blog came up, must have been a typo, i duno.  Anyways, I just clicked it and here I am.  Your blog looks good.  Have a nice day.  James.</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Science Behind Change: A Beginner&#8217;s Guide by Power of Focused Attention &#124; ThinkSimpleNow.com</title>
		<link>http://thewindingpath.net/2007/08/09/the-science-behind-change-a-beginners-guide/#comment-24296</link>
		<dc:creator>Power of Focused Attention &#124; ThinkSimpleNow.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 01:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The Science Behind Change: A Beginner&#8217;s Guide by Your page is now on StumbleUpon!</title>
		<link>http://thewindingpath.net/2007/08/09/the-science-behind-change-a-beginners-guide/#comment-24182</link>
		<dc:creator>Your page is now on StumbleUpon!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 05:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Atheism is more than just a lack of belief in gods. by Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 06:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Candace! I've made a note to write up a post of my own about being post-theological. Expect a link :)

&lt;a href="http://www.atheistnexus.org/profiles/blog/show?id=2182797:BlogPost:88993" rel="nofollow"&gt;This is that blog post Candace mentioned&lt;/a&gt;. Truly worth reading and thinking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Candace! I&#8217;ve made a note to write up a post of my own about being post-theological. Expect a link <img src='http://thewindingpath.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.atheistnexus.org/profiles/blog/show?id=2182797:BlogPost:88993" rel="nofollow">This is that blog post Candace mentioned</a>. Truly worth reading and thinking about.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Atheism is more than just a lack of belief in gods. by Candace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 15:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this is great stuff. I found this via a comment Mark left on my A/N blog. Y'all might be interested in that post because it refers to an article in The Humanist Magazine (with a link to that included) which talks about reframing ourselves as "post-theological" next time someone asks about our atheism.

Mark, I'm definitely subscribing to your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this is great stuff. I found this via a comment Mark left on my A/N blog. Y&#8217;all might be interested in that post because it refers to an article in The Humanist Magazine (with a link to that included) which talks about reframing ourselves as &#8220;post-theological&#8221; next time someone asks about our atheism.</p>
<p>Mark, I&#8217;m definitely subscribing to your blog.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How do we process complex social interactions? by Claire</title>
		<link>http://thewindingpath.net/2008/07/05/how-do-we-process-complex-social-interaction/#comment-22977</link>
		<dc:creator>Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting....</description>
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		<title>Comment on Atheism is more than just a lack of belief in gods. by Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Samuel:
Hmmm, thanks for the response.  

I understand your points.  I wonder though if it is really religion that is the cause of the "evils" you write of or rather an unsettling component of the human psyche (or perhaps more accurately human nature)?  In the cases you mention religion is certainly the justification for poorly considered policies and the linked harm they cause but other poorly considered policies and great harm have taken place under the leadership and citizen population of non-theists.  

Although perhaps unpopular to argue I would say that throughout much of human history religion (with all of its incontestable flaws) has had a moderating effect on humanity and in fact laid the framework for a society that no longer needs the belief systems of religion to function effectively.  It was so effective in fact that we've been able to grow past it. In many other parts of the world/segments of society those nastier aspects of human nature seem to be digging in deeper and I do have to wonder if they (and the rest of us citizens of the world) wouldn't be better off if they adopted any sort of mainstream religion and the moderating effects on behavior that seem to accompany it?  I think the biggest threat to humanity is and always has been those unexamined aspects of human nature that aren't pretty instead are often cruel and hateful and if aren't contained in some manner seem to pop out over and over again. 

Mark:
"I disagree. The problem with such a strategy is that it encourages a superficial form of conflict resolution."

~and~

"If that truly is what Islam teaches it should be clear from the behaviour of many Muslims that “puts his hand on you” can be interpreted to mean any kinds of perceived affront, not just violence."
 
I don't know Mark.  Arbitrary definition or not at least a belief system offers a starting point for conversation and negotiation.  Violence *is* a reality for many people, in many cases their environments are seeped in it and to merely dismiss the reality of their lives seems short-sighted.  If religion provides a way of explaining the world that makes some sense of their experiences I say great because it then also provides me with a way of understanding their lives/thinking and clues to communicating more effectively towards more positive ends.  

If the study you cite above is at all accurate about the ways in which people are *able* to think a religious explanation might be as sophisticated as any for understanding life and the world for many people.  I don't know though...just talking off the top of my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samuel:<br />
Hmmm, thanks for the response.  </p>
<p>I understand your points.  I wonder though if it is really religion that is the cause of the &#8220;evils&#8221; you write of or rather an unsettling component of the human psyche (or perhaps more accurately human nature)?  In the cases you mention religion is certainly the justification for poorly considered policies and the linked harm they cause but other poorly considered policies and great harm have taken place under the leadership and citizen population of non-theists.  </p>
<p>Although perhaps unpopular to argue I would say that throughout much of human history religion (with all of its incontestable flaws) has had a moderating effect on humanity and in fact laid the framework for a society that no longer needs the belief systems of religion to function effectively.  It was so effective in fact that we&#8217;ve been able to grow past it. In many other parts of the world/segments of society those nastier aspects of human nature seem to be digging in deeper and I do have to wonder if they (and the rest of us citizens of the world) wouldn&#8217;t be better off if they adopted any sort of mainstream religion and the moderating effects on behavior that seem to accompany it?  I think the biggest threat to humanity is and always has been those unexamined aspects of human nature that aren&#8217;t pretty instead are often cruel and hateful and if aren&#8217;t contained in some manner seem to pop out over and over again. </p>
<p>Mark:<br />
&#8220;I disagree. The problem with such a strategy is that it encourages a superficial form of conflict resolution.&#8221;</p>
<p>~and~</p>
<p>&#8220;If that truly is what Islam teaches it should be clear from the behaviour of many Muslims that “puts his hand on you” can be interpreted to mean any kinds of perceived affront, not just violence.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know Mark.  Arbitrary definition or not at least a belief system offers a starting point for conversation and negotiation.  Violence *is* a reality for many people, in many cases their environments are seeped in it and to merely dismiss the reality of their lives seems short-sighted.  If religion provides a way of explaining the world that makes some sense of their experiences I say great because it then also provides me with a way of understanding their lives/thinking and clues to communicating more effectively towards more positive ends.  </p>
<p>If the study you cite above is at all accurate about the ways in which people are *able* to think a religious explanation might be as sophisticated as any for understanding life and the world for many people.  I don&#8217;t know though&#8230;just talking off the top of my head.</p>
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